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( Traditional view is presented and analyzed, but we do not know which year was Lord Rama's actual birth year )
To which tretayuga Lord Rama belonged ?
[ Following points are my views posted at a forum during discussion in various postings; I have mentions all divergent views , but these various postings have not been rearranged into a single compacint article here. ]To which tretayuga Lord Rama belonged ?
According to Indian theory of time-cycles, accepted by all Vedic and Jain astrologers of ancient India, there are 14 manvantaras during one Kalpa (Creation), each manvantara comprising of 71 mahayugas. Each mahayuga has one treta yuga. We are passing through 27th mahayuga of 7th manvantara. Hence, during present Kalpa, 453 Tretayugas have already elapded. One mahayuga is equal to 4320000 years.
To which tretayuga Lord Rama belonged ? There is clear reference in ancient literature that Ramavatara took place in 24th mahayuga of present manvantara : Vayu-Purana(98/72), Harvamsha-Purana(4/41) and Brahmanda-Mahapurana(104/11) clearly clearly mention that Ramavatara occurs during 24th mahayuga of 7th Vaivasvata Manvantara. According to this view, Ramavatara took place nearly 14 million years ago (~13840200)! Modern scientists believe human-like creatures were absent then. Among primates, only nude apes roamed around the globe!
Another view is that Ramavatara occurs in every mahayuga. But it is merely an opinion, and modern one; such a view is never mentioned in ancient literature.
Goswami Tulsidas says Lord Rama was born at noon during Abhijit Muhurta (Balkanda,191). This timing is in consonance with Valmiki jee's statement, but no ancient text explicitly mentions muhurta.
It is clearly mentioned in Rgveda that every Kalpa is a replica of the previous ; this mantra is part of daily sandhyaa-vandana. But it is hard to believe that that every mahayuga is also a replica of the previous, because planets do not come to same positions at the end of each mahayuga, and varsh-pravesha or yuga-pravesha mundane horoscopes will differ. Hence, it is difficult to prove that Ramavatar took place in every mahayuga.
Three Puranas say Ramavatara ocurred in 24th manvantara, while Vishnu Purana suggests 28th. Now, let me show something different, which is my own conjecture. Divide a Kalpa of 4320 millions with 14, one gets the period of one manvantara. Add six such manvantaras to 24 mahayugas of 4320000 years each, one will get 1955108571 years (plus 5 months). Three months after today, 1955885109 years of Creation (ie, Shrishti, not Kalpa) will elapse. 1955108571 is 776538 years befor coming Mesha Samktanti. It means 24th mahayuga ended 776538 years befor coming Mesha Samktanti of 2009 AD. But previous Tretayuga ended 869109 years ago (864000 years of Dvaapar plus 5109 years of Kaliyuga). Hence, when the previous Treta ended, 24th mahayuga was still running. Therefore, Lord Rama came in previous Treta.
This is the basis of Puranic statements anout Lord rama having been born in 24th mahayuga. But it is fallacious, because the very mathematical basis shown above is wrong and crude. Firstly, manvantara was counted from Kalpa and current date or Lord Rama's date counted not from beginning of Kalpa but from beginning of Shrishti, both having a difference of 47400 divine years or 17064000 human years, which is equal to 3.95 mahayugas. Does it not make "24th" a wrong result, 4 mahayugas having been left ? It is my gyess.
Many Puranic verses are later interpolations. For instance, Suryasiddhanta says Earth's diameter is 1600 yojanas. It is in perfect harmony with Mahabharata which states Girivraja was 99 yojanas (98.55 as computed on the basis of Suryasiddhanta) from Mathura when Jaraasandha propelled his Gadaa. This story is a part of the main story and is mathematically accurate, hence cannot be an interpolation. Besides, Suryasiddhantic yojana was never used anywhere during entire historical period. All knowm astronomers, from Aryabhata to medieval authorities gave Earth's diameter around 1000-1100 yojana, which is 1.5 times less than 1600 yojana of Suryasiddhanta. It proves that both Suryasiddhanta and main story of Mahabharata are prehistoric. This conclusion is further reinforced by the fact that Magadha's capital was Rajgir during Gautam Buddha's time, which later shifted to Pataliputra. Girivraja must predate the Buddha. It also makes Suryasiddhanta a prehistoric work, which Western scholars will never accept, because they believe that before Alexander's invasion Indians were inept in astronomy.
But Bhagavat Purana states that Mt Meru is 80000 yojana high! Can so high a mountain stand on a tiny Earth of 1600 yojanas? In Mahabharata itself, Jamboodvipa is said to be 19000 yojanas in extent. These portions are interpolations of the period after 3101 BC and before the Buddha, because such a small measure of yojana was never in use in any other known period.
Taking all facts in account, we must conclude that Ramavatara certainly took place in current mahayuga. We cannot be sure whether it recurs in every mahayuga. Lord Rama is said to rule for 11000 years. Hence His birthdate must be searched around BC 878200 (± 100) according to Puranic-Epic statements. Westernized scholars will laugh at such a date.
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Rishi Valmiki's Version of Lord Rama's Horoscope
Persons ignorant of Jyotisha sometimes edit texts like Rāmāyana, and they popularised a wrong interpretation of Vālmiki's shloka describing Rāma's birth. Shlokas 8-10 in eighteenth sarga of Bālakānda contains this description which is being misinterpreted for a long time. No one knows who was responsible for this faulty interpretation, but even today this faulty interpretation is popular among ignorants and scholars alike ! The facts stated by Sage Vālmiki is as follows : "In the twelfth month after the completion of yajna (performed by Dasharatha for getting sons), Kausalyā gave birth to Lord of the world and prised by all Lokas Rāma with divine attributes on Chaitra Shukla navami in Punarvasu Nakshatra and Karka Lagna, when five planets were exalted (svochcha) and Jupiter accompanied Moon in the ascendant (Lagna)." (It is a literal translation by me).
Now let us elaborate. Lord Rāma was born on navami tithi, which means that difference between Moon and Sun was over 96 degrees and below 108 degrees ( one tithi is equal to 12 degrees' difference between Moon and Sun). Since Moon was in Punarvasu Nakshatra, Moon must be somewhere between 80°:00' and 93°:20' degrees. But Moon was also in Karka, hence it was between 90°:00' and 93°:20' degrees, ie, 91°:40° ± 1°:40' . Sun was +96° to +108° behind Moon. Hence Sun was somewhere between 342° degrees and 357°:20' .Hence Sun was in Mina (Pisces). There is no question of Sun being exalted. If Sun was exalted, either tithi must be ashtami or Moon must be in Pushya, which contradicts Vālmiki's statement.
Mercury is exalted in Kanyā (Virgo). Since Mercury can never be six rāshis away from the Sun, it was also not in exaltation. Moon is exalted in Vrish (Taurus). Hence Moon in Karka was also not exalted. According to Vālmiki, Sun-Merury-Moon were certainly not exalted. If Rahu and Ketu were not exalted, we are left with only four planets. But Vālmiki says there were five exalted planets. Hence both Rāhu and Ketu were exalted. Jupiter in Karka is exalted according to Vālmiki. These three planets were certainly exalted. Among the remaining three planets Venus-Mars-Saturn, only two were exalted.
But commentators say that these five exalted planets were Sun, Mars, Saturn, Jupiter and Venus. Sun cannot be exalted in any case. Since Vālmiki has used the word 'svochcha' , svagrihi Moon in Karka also cannot be exalted. Hence Rāhu and Ketu must be exalted. The remaining problems are :
(1) One of the three planets Venus-Mars-Saturn is not exalted, rest two being exalted;
(2) Mercury may be anywhere from Kumbha to Mesha.
Hence the probable horoscope is as follows :
Certain facts :
Lagna Karka, svagrihi Moon and uchcha Jupiter in lagna.
Uchcha Ketu in 5th house.
Uchcha Rāhu in 11th house.
Sun in 9th house.
Doubtful :
Mercury in 8/9/10 th house.
If Venus was exalted, then in 9th house, which is likely because Lord Rāma had arrived to sustain Dharma.
If Mars exalted, then in 7th house.
If Saturn exalted, then in 4th house.
We need further research to clarify these dubious points. Some people say that Rāmāvatāra took place in 24th Mahāyuga (it is 28th now).
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I made a special software for searching the date of birth of Lord Rāma few years ago, based on the undisputable combinations stated by Sage Vālmiki. With its help, I searched entire Kaliyuga (3101 BC onwards) and could not find a single date in conformity with what Sage Vālmike stated.
Hence, either Lord Rāma never existed, or his avatāra took place at the fag end of Tretā yuga. The former view is popular among atheists and so-called secularists. The latter view is popular among mainstream Hindus.
I belonged to the school of leftist secularists during my student life. But Vedic Jyotisha based on Surya-siddhāntic Ganita (mathematics) changed me thoroughly. Know I know that Hindu theory of Time Cycles is a fact and Eurocentric Indo-Eoropean linguistics and histories based on this linguistics are fictions.
I will like to post many proofs in favour of the accuracy of ancient school of Vedic Jyotisha. I am writing a new topic "Horoscope of Kaliyuga", which I intend to post soon to Vedic Jyotisha section. The methodology of preparing such national and international horoscopes is described in ancient texts (eg., various Yāmala Tantras), but the practical ways of use these methods are not widely known.
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Popular Kundali of Lord Rama :
lagna- cancer- jupiter,moon
4th house- libra- saturn
6th house- saggitarius- rahu
7th house- capricorn- mars
9th house- pisces- venus
10th house- aries- sun
11th house- taurus- mercury
12th house- gemini- ketu
Can anyone provide some clue to a single scholar who has worked on this popular horoscope and found it to be according to the statements made by Sage Valmiki? It is true this wrong horoscope is popular, and many scholars might have quoted it without checking it against Valmiki jee's original statements. But no scholar has ever researched on it and proven it to be true.
Editor of Varanasi's Sampoornanad Sanskrit University's panchanga Pt Arun Pandey wrote a scholarly article on this topic in Jyotisha Vaijnaniki Patrika, and concluded that planetary positions as described by Sage Valmiki jee prove that either the tithi must have been Ashtami or the Sun must have been in Pisces (Mina).
I also arrived at the same conclusion. But Pt Arun Pandey could not dare to wage a war against armies of pandits ignorant of Jyotisha (I do not insult them, I merely mean that all pandits are not jyotishis) and added in the end that due to some mysterious yoga, Sun in Mesha might have caused navami tithi against the laws of mathematics ! Pt Arun Pandey is my friend and I do not doubt his integrity, I merely mean that Varanasi is a citadel of pandits, most of whom are not jyotishis, and it is dangerous there to go against popular beliefs).
This popular horoscope was made by putting all planets in most auspicious places, forgetting that the mundane life of Lord Rama was not totally auspicious. Lord Rama had to remain in forest for a long period, and he had to send Sita to forest where entire family was reared. There must be one or two inauspicious planets, therefore, in this horoscope. But it is hard to convince those who believe that Sage Valmiki's statements must be deliberately distorted in order to make the most auspicious combinations of planets for an incarnation of Lord Vishnu.
Sage Valmiki's verses represent fact, and popular horoscope of Lord Rama is a fiction. I must call a spade a spade.
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He says that I concuded that this is not the chart of the almighty. I never said whether Lord Rama was Almighty or not ; I always use 'Lord' or 'Shri' for Rama jee.
If Lord Rama was Almighty, He was in no need of a good horoscope at all, because the very assumption that the fate of Almighty must be controlled by planets is an insult of Almighty. According to Sage Valmiki, Lord Rama was not Almighty but at most only half-Almighty, even if 100% of the dish prepared for Dasharatha's queens represented 100% Almightiness.
I am not joking. Falsification of Valmiki jee on the basis of logic must be perfectly logical, otherwise one must not go against Valmiki jee's statements as well as against rules of mathematics.
If Mars is placed in 7th house, it means the lord of 10th house is exalted and has a full aspect on the tenth house, with the added benefit of the first Panch-maha-purusha yoga, Ruchaka.
Sun in 9th house with an exalted Venus is also auspicious. There is no need to call it "not the chart of the almighty" due to such a placement of Sun. Sun by itself is not very powerful, yuti relation with exalted Venus makes it strong.
Mercury cannot be far away from the Sun, hence Mercury must be anywhere between 8th and 10th house. Since Mercury in 8th house or in house of debility (ie, 9th) should not be the horoscope of Lord Rama, Mercury was most probably in 10th house, being in the rashi of its fast friend Sun. Moreover, lord of 10th house Mars is also friendly to Mercury. These traits make Mercury highly auapicious too.
Exalted Jupiter with svagrihi Moon in Lagna is more than Hamsa yoga, which is itself a great rajayoga.
With such an excellent 10th house with other friendly combinations, why one should falsifyValmiki jee to force Sun into Aries against the rules of mathematics?
Earlier, I had deduced some conclusions from Valmiki jee's statements, which now I try to make more definite :
Certain facts : Lagna Karka, svagrihi Moon and uchcha Jupiter in lagna. Uchcha Ketu in 5th house. Uchcha Rāhu in 11th house. Sun in 9th house.
Most probable states :
Mercury in 8/9/10 th house, of which 10 is most likely.
If Venus was exalted, then in 9th house, which is likely because Lord Rāma had arrived to sustain Dharma.
If Mars exalted, then in 7th house, which is highly probable because it will make 10th house auspicious.
Thus Saturn cannot be exalted at all, which leaves 11th house best suited for it, because in no other house Saturn can be in the mansion of a fast friend excepting in 11th and 12th. Saturn in 12th is not a sound proposition.
Alternative is the popular horoscope, which has Sun in Aries which falsifies Valmiki jee, besides highly inauspicious Rahu and Ketu in bad mansions.
I am only giving maximum probabilities, not any final conclusion. Sun in Aries, however, is quite impossible because it will destroy the basic tenets of Jyotisha which is a part of Veda. If Rama is Almighty, Veda with its parts is also Almighty. Two aspects of Almighty cannot go against each other, and Almighty cannot be an opponent of mathematics.
I've tried to be perfectly in tune with Valmiki jee's statement. Valmiki Ramayana is not mere literature, it is much more holy than the combined weight of all pandits, good or bad.
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Suryavamsha of Lord Rama is said to have rule over the Earth from the beginning of Satyuga to the end of Tretayuga, ie, for 3024000 years. Lord Rama was 42nd. He ruled for 11000 years. Dasharatha ruled for 60000 years. Average period of remaing 40 kings is (2953000 / 40 =) 73825 years per king !
There are two views on these figures. Secular view is that all Puranas and epics are mere gossips. Hindus believe that Suryavamsha was a divine dynasty, having originated from Lord Surya, generator of the Cosmos (it is the etymological meaning of SUrya).
Gita explicitly mentions that the secret yoga was given by Surya to Manu, then to Ikshvaku (and his descendants), but had vanished from the Earth (during entire Dvapara yuga) for a long time, after which Lord Krshna gave this secret yoga of "Rajarshis" (of Suryavamsha) to Arjuna. When this secret yoga was taken back, Arjuns could not uplift the Gandeeva Bow.
What was this secret yoga of Rajarshis, unknow even to the brahmarshis of entire Dvapara yuga ? It shows that ancient Indians believed that entire Suryavamsha had something special about it, something divine.
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According to Vedic concepts, each Kalpa repeats the earlier (it is a Vedic mantra chanted in sandhya-vandana : dhaataa yathaa purvam akalpayat ; O God, create according to the previous Creation !). Hence, Ramavatara should recur in each Kalpa, if not in every manvantara or in every mahayuga.
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I am providing here a scanned copy of the most popular version of Valmiki Ramayana currently available, which is published by famous Gitapress of Gorakhpur, India. No edition of Valmiki Ramayana is more popular as far as number of prints are concerned. There are nearly one hundred variants of Valmiki Ramayana's available manuscripts, but as far as current topic is concerned, only the translated part is controversial, there is no controversy with regard to the original Sanskrit. I am providing these verse in Roman script with English translation from http://www.valmikiramayan.net/bala/sarga18/bala_18_frame.htm ( by Desiraju Hanumanta Rao)
tato yaj~ne samaapte tu R^itUnaam SaT samatyayuH |
tataH ca dvaadashe maase chaitre naavamike tithau || 1-18-8
nakxatre aditi daivatye sva ucCha sa.nstheShu pa.nchasu |
graheShu kar.hkaTe lagne vaakpataa i.ndunaa saha || 1-18-9
prodyamaane jagannaatham sarva loka namaskR^itam |
kausalyaa ajanayat raamam sarva lakSaNa sa.myutam || 1-18-10
viSNoH ardham mahaabhaagam putram aixvaaku na.ndanam |
lohitaaksham mahaabaahum rak{}ta oSTam du.ndubhi svanam || 1-18-11
8, 9, 10, 11. tataH yaj~ne samaapte= then, ritual, on completion; R^ituuNaam SaT sam atyayuH= seasons, six, well, passed by; tataH= then; dvaadashe maase= in twelfth, month; chaitre naavamike tithau= chaitra month [April-May], ninth, day; nakshatre aditi daivatye= star of the day [punarvasu,] [whose presiding is] Aditi; panchasu graheSu swa uccha samstheshu= of five, planets, in their own, highest, positing; karkaTe lagne= in Cancer [of Zodiac]; vaak patiH indunaa saha= when Speech's, Lord [Jupiter,] is [with] Moon, along with; pra udyamane= when raising – ascending, advancing daytime – abhijit lagna; kausalyaa= Queen Kausalya; jagat naatham= worlds', lord [Vishnu]; sarva loka namaskR^itam= by all, worlds, adored; divya lakshana samyutam= divine, attributes, along with; viSNoH= Vishnu's; artham= epitome of [not half of Vishnu]; mahaa bhaagam= greatly blessed one; ikshwaaku nandanam= Ikshvaaku dynasty, delight of; lohita aksham= lotus-red, eyes; mahaa baahum= lengthy, armed; rakta oSTam= roseate, lips; dundubhi svanam= drumbeat, voiced; raamam= Rama as; putram= the son; ajanayat= gave birth.
On completion of the ritual six seasons have passed by and then in the twelfth month, on the ninth day of chaitra month [April-May,] when the presiding deity of ruling star of the day is Aditi, where the ruling star of day is punarvasu, the asterism is in the ascendant, and when five of the nine planets viz., Sun, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, and Venus are at their highest position, when Jupiter with Moon is ascendant in Cancer, and when day is advancing, then Queen Kausalya gave birth to a son with all the divine attributes like lotus-red eyes, lengthy arms, roseate lips, voice like drumbeat, and who took birth to delight the Ikshwaku dynasty, who is adored by all the worlds, and who is the greatly blessed epitome of Vishnu, namely Rama. [1-18-8, 9, 10, 11]
Desiraju Hanumanta Rao's south Indian Sanskrit text is exactly same as north Indian version of Gitapress given above in Hindi. There is no appreciable difference in translated meanings. The only difference in Hindi and English translations is that Hindi translation gives the names of five exalted planets within parentheses, while Desiraju Hanumanta Rao uses the term "viz." Names of these exalted planets are completely absent in the Sanskrit original of both north and south Indian variants of Valmiki Ramayana.
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Screenshot of Planetarium Software's display for Ayodhya's Sky at 12:30 PM, Jan 10, BC 5114
I typed "5114 BC Rama" in Google Search and got 17700 hits. All those which I could survey claimed that Lord Rama was born on Jan 10, 5114 BC at 12:30 PM, and sourced this information to research carried by persons related to Indian Revenue Service. Some journalists publicized this discovery vehemently in order to counter the claim of secularists that Lord Rama was not a historical figure.
Readers may find these findings at http://www.google.co.in/search?q=5114+BC+Rama&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
All of them contain basically same information. The software these researchers used was Planetarium Gold, priced $20, which is a product of a private company (Cf. http://www.jcresearch.com/) . It is a crude software aimed at schools. While screenshots taken from it, as displayed by aforementioned "researchers" appeared to resemble the popular horoscope of Lord Rama to a large extent, I got quite different results when I entered the date and time claimed by those researchers for the meridians of Ayodhya in the same software Planetarium Gold. Both these results are given in the pictures below. While I took screenshots with time window open, so that readers could judge for themselves, the pictures displayed by officials of Indian Revenue Service carries no date or time. Yet, I believe these researchers are not dishonest, they were cheated by a crude software which should not be used for remote eras. User Certain claimed that this software belonged to NASA, which is far from true. I was charged of being aggressive and ignorant of astronomy when I termed such claims as hoax. I do not feel that the officials of Indian Revenue Service were dishonest, yet I insist that such works cannot be termed "research". The very software was not fit for such an exercise.
These "researchers" do not compute for themselves and therefore do not accept the undeniable fact that Moon in Punarvasu and Sun in Aries is possible only if the tithi is ashtami, it is quite impossible on navami. One reader claimed that Rishis could see from other
points in space. Did the officials of Indian Revenue Service also used Planetarium software from outer space? It is not possible in this software. This software is not recognized by NASA. There is another software recognized by NASA in which one can see anything from any point in space, but it is not designed to solve the type problems we are facing in the current discussion. The screenshot I took (BC5114) shows Moon near a tithi between 13 and 14, and most of the plansts contrary to the description in Valmiki Ramayana.
See also http://www.mysticboard.com/viewtopic.php?t=58913 (not my view )
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